Super Dads – Gerald Pollack

This interview and fun and comical as I interview Albert Einstein’s “cousin”.

Gerald Pollack maintains an active laboratory at the University of Washington in Seattle. The overriding philosophy of the laboratory is that science is essentially simple.”

In this episode, we discuss his famous work, the 4th phase of water. This is vitally important to learning if you want to gain a better understanding of your health and how it can improve further. His website Website:

He is an advocate in scientific activism: Challenging staid dogma with fresh ideas that explain more is a core element of improving a scientific enterprise that has been progressively eroding. Science has become increasingly conservative. Challengers are viewed with suspicion, the prevailing response being something like this: your idea cannot be right, for if it were, certainly someone would have thought of it earlier. This attitude has permeated the granting systems, which have become conservative — a problem now broadly recognized.

He also heads a valuable Water Conference annually: Initiated in 2005 and run annually since then, the Annual Conference on the Physics, Chemistry, and Biology of Water brings together leading scientists from all over the world to present their latest findings on the mysteries of water. We shifted the conference from Vermont initially, to Bulgaria currently, a country famous for its healing waters. This informal, people-friendly conference has become the signpost for new findings involving the enigmatic substance that is water. All are welcome.

You have got to love his philosophy of science: The overriding philosophy of the laboratory is that science is essentially simple. Although intricacy is undeniable, the foundational principles are ultimately simple, and if a mechanism appears complicated — if you find it difficult to understand — then it is probably not because you are inept, but that the foundational “principle” on which it is based may itself not be correct. Sound mechanisms rarely rest on shaky foundations.

Our work has been oriented toward uncovering those fundamental principles. We target areas in which understanding seems too complex to be valid, and penetrate — or at least we try to penetrate — toward the core of truth. Often the ideas that come out of these excursions are controversial, as they inevitably upset the status quo, sometimes at its very core. Hence, the reactions range from non-printable expletives at one extreme, to enthusiastic comments such as a recent one from a well-known physicist about our findings on water: “the most significant scientific discovery of this century”.


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